cotonti.com : Time to give up ? https://www.cotonti.com Последние сообщения в теме Cotonti en Mon, 13 Oct 2025 23:45:33 -0000 fade2k #32255 Kingsley:

Maybe a good idea to create a list of who's doing what? so that (if neccessary) people can contact the needed person directly? (smart thing is to do that for members only, not a public list..)

I like this idea.

Meanwhile - I happen to like cotonti and *would* convert some forums of mine over if there were easy conversions available. (As it stands, I'd have to convert ~ 3x to get to cotonti). In any event, I'll still be working with the software.. because I happen to find it MUCH easier to use than some of the other ones out there (use as in templating for). If I had the time, I'd release something useful [a template] but I don't right now :(

Personally, I believe the core [including translations] and documentation is most important, followed by plugins and templates. Strong documentation will surely help spurr the use of Cotonti. If there is decent docuementation, no feature hidden away and such... I believe tempaltes and plugins would follow...  just my very humble opinion.

Thanks again to all those who continue to work on Cotonti, when there is time!

]]>
чт, 29 дек 2011 18:17:38 -0000
Kingsley #32280 diablo:

someone got sand in her... nvm.

mind your own bussiness grandpa.

 

haha I lol'd..

]]>
пн, 26 дек 2011 14:46:05 -0000
diablo someone got sand in her... nvm.

mind your own bussiness grandpa.

]]>
пн, 26 дек 2011 14:44:15 -0000
Kingsley #32277 Kort:

Just do it quietly, will you?

 

uh..

]]>
пн, 26 дек 2011 12:25:44 -0000
Kort Anything you want. Just do it quietly, will you?

]]>
пн, 26 дек 2011 09:01:39 -0000
diablo What have you done to my topic angry

ik versta je klein beetje maar engels is meer makkelijk voor mij ( I hope i wrote this correctly its been 15 years since i left nederland)

After i saw how many people reacted to this topic i decided to delay my migration plans (im more interested in Seditio 151 BTW)

]]>
пн, 26 дек 2011 01:40:31 -0000
Twiebie #32262 Kingsley: 

maybe a good idea indeed, not sure what I have to bring to such a day

A few beers for a start?

]]>
вс, 25 дек 2011 23:51:29 -0000
Kingsley @ ray

maybe a good idea indeed, not sure what I have to bring to such a day, seeing I'm only a spare time html/css dude.. but a small comfy party I wouldn't mind at all ;)

 

]]>
вс, 25 дек 2011 19:57:47 -0000
rayblo вс, 25 дек 2011 13:49:43 -0000 Kingsley Oke, maar mijn opmerking blijft alsnog staan, hij vroeg en niemand reageerde (ook ik niet). Dan zou ik het ook zelf gedaan hebben.

Maybe a good idea to create a list of who's doing what? so that (if neccessary) people can contact the needed person directly? (smart thing is to do that for members only, not a public list..)

@ez Uhm, I don't do x-mass (I do not believe in a deity) so no x-mass spirit here. besides that, we are discussing things here, and a discussion is no where without a little headbutting and pointing fingers. It's how you get things done, get people on one line, and create more understanding towards one and another. Old guy like you should know that ;)

]]>
вс, 25 дек 2011 13:44:38 -0000
rayblo вс, 25 дек 2011 13:36:49 -0000 ez Ow boy.... nice christmas spirit you guys.... sad  STOP that. A Community is all about sharing (Like X-mas)
 

]]>
вс, 25 дек 2011 13:34:53 -0000
Kingsley @ Rayblo

You are acting like he has broken a toy of yours. Come on man, he did ask. Not to you personally, but he DID ask. And nobody replied. Sorry, but I would have done the same thing if I were Twiebie. Like you said yourself; you are busy with work and family matters, and responded TWO weeks later.
Basically you are saying that everybody should wait with their work until you fins the time to respond? That's not how the world works, and it's not like there is a list with names and what they're doing for Cotonti.
 

]]>
вс, 25 дек 2011 13:03:31 -0000
rayblo вс, 25 дек 2011 12:48:41 -0000 Twiebie I don't like to go too much off topic here, but as I spot a few things that i've apparentley done wrong I would like to reply on this.

The Dutch language pack is something I really needed on a short term (few days) for Siena, and thus I deciced to build it myself.
I actually asked in the Dutch section of the forums if there was a pack available for Siena. But because there was no reply in time with a link to a language pack (mind you I needed it within a few days) I went on to create it myself for my own website.

http://www.cotonti.com/forums?m=posts&q=6424

After a few days I completed the Dutch language pack, and decided to put it up on Cotonti.com for the community to use, why not? With Trustmaster's approval the language pack was put on GitHub, so that the community could contribute to it aswell. I still wasn't aware of the fact that somebody else had one.

Almost 2 weeks after my initial post you replied that you already had a language pack for Siena, but as you pointed out yourself, (see topic) nobody posted the link to it, and I didn't have access to it. So how was I supposed to know...

And i'm not 'the new NL translator' as you are suggesting. Do I have 'translator' status?

]]>
вс, 25 дек 2011 12:40:05 -0000
rayblo As said to Trustmaster this morning, it even starts with looking out how and where to post a topic like this.

Even not logged in this topic was visible, and i believe its no good for the community to show this to the outside world!

And then back to topic:

Working on the core is good, but working on themes plugins translations is poor.

No offense, i know i have been offline for a while due to work and family matters, but as starter with Pieter of the dutchcotonti, and doing the translations into dutch, i found out recently there popped up a new person Twiebie who started this. For years i've been doing this started with LDU, and Twiebie didn't even contact me bout taking it over asking for the latest translations to work on. So in my idea, where is the community feeling?

Seems like everyone is doing there own thing in Cotonti, but not sharing it...

Take a look at some plugins, paid versions but still no light versions to try for community people. maybe an idea to share it with community holders, and bring out a light version so others can have a peek and if their willing to have the full package, the the possibility to buy it!

But if this is the way how to handle its really sad. One of my websites i have ported already to WP, also because of all plugins available and themes.

And because of the way the new NL translator is handling i'm thinking bout getting in touch with Neuro to do the translations again for sed 151.

]]>
вс, 25 дек 2011 09:55:04 -0000
Kingsley 2nd one is no challenge..

]]>
чт, 22 дек 2011 22:16:42 -0000
Trustmaster #32210 Kingsley:

totally off topic..

Damn the cyrillic languages are difficult.. thought it'd be cool to learn some (basics), but wow... any of you guys know of a good site (found half usefull ones up to now, but nothing really good..) which explains more about it?

Here you are. But usually you need just this :)

]]>
чт, 22 дек 2011 16:04:31 -0000
Kingsley totally off topic..

Damn the cyrillic languages are difficult.. thought it'd be cool to learn some (basics), but wow... any of you guys know of a good site (found half usefull ones up to now, but nothing really good..) which explains more about it?

]]>
чт, 22 дек 2011 15:29:51 -0000
Trustmaster #32204 Sergey:

 http://www.cotonti.com/datas/users/element.rukovodstvo_polzovatelya.otvet_205.pdf  - Это мой вариант развития  в Генуи модуля page.  Что касаемо "Russian as your language" я нахожу удобным кодировать и писать на том языке, который я воспринимаю правильно, например функция из этого модуля http://www.cotonti.com/datas/users/bbcode_photo_205.rar

[offtopic]In this post Sergey gives an example of custom module he has successfully built for Genoa. And he says that he prefers to write in Russian because this is the way he can get things done.[/offtopic]

]]>
чт, 22 дек 2011 12:25:05 -0000
Xerora I watch a lot of projects just because I'm interested in the evolution of the project and enjoy the power of what a community can do. This place fits in that category, but I feel more connnected here than some other places ( even if I don't have a hand in the project ). This CMF isn't the same as another out there because it's not the same people. Comparable ? Somewhat, yes. I don't feel the goal was ever to become the most popular, but to scratch the itch people are here to get scrached.

 

As for how this project is progressing; I agree it may look slow and dying, but a lot of decisions are having to be made while this project is evolving and while the internet is continueing to come out with new concepts and inovations. The people working on this project have lives before this place and are doing this in their free time for fun, to improve their techniquies, etc. I like where Siena is going and love most of the changes coming with it. I believe Trustmaster & the people working on the project to be very level headed and just don't throw a switch on a decision that impacts the project without thinking. That allows me to have respect in what they are doing. I can only hope to feel this way about the matter until I get proven wrong. I don't feel lied to or mislead in anyway as there are no crazy "promises" being made. This is just something people are doing for fun and at their own will. I don't think one person saying their honest opinion would sway people one way or the other, unless they don't draw their own opinion.

 

Just stating my own opinion.

Siena isn't finished and still needs refining, but I feel that the path it is going is outstanding at this point. I understand where people are coming from at the same time, though.

]]>
чт, 22 дек 2011 00:55:00 -0000
Twiebie #32204 Sergey:

 http://www.cotonti.com/datas/users/element.rukovodstvo_polzovatelya.otvet_205.pdf  - Это мой вариант развития  в Генуи модуля page.  Что касаемо "Russian as your language" я нахожу удобным кодировать и писать на том языке, который я воспринимаю правильно, например функция из этого модуля http://www.cotonti.com/datas/users/bbcode_photo_205.rar

?

]]>
ср, 21 дек 2011 23:24:52 -0000
Sergey  http://www.cotonti.com/datas/users/element.rukovodstvo_polzovatelya.otvet_205.pdf  - Это мой вариант развития  в Генуи модуля page.  Что касаемо "Russian as your language" я нахожу удобным кодировать и писать на том языке, который я воспринимаю правильно, например функция из этого модуля http://www.cotonti.com/datas/users/bbcode_photo_205.rar

]]>
ср, 21 дек 2011 22:11:47 -0000
Trustmaster I think you are right. To some extent. Cotonti can never reach the popularity and user friendliness of Joomla, Wordpress and Drupal, so it's just a waste of time at this point of view. Yet there are people who are not satisfied with those 3 for some reason, so they look for alternatives. Also there are people who got used to this system over years and don't want to give it up because they have no need to. Finally, you can hardly make a valuable contribution in the world of Wordpress or Joomla, while in the world of Cotonti every new plugin or article is a major contribution and every reasonable suggestion you make gets heard sooner or later. I think these are the 3 reasons which keep this project going.

It seems you mean Siena when you say "its soo much more complicated than it used to" and that it's caused by plenty of APIs and functions you haven't seen before / aren't used to. Overall though, the code has got shorter because these new functions do a lot of things you had to do manually before. And you are not even obliged to use them. There are some arguable advantages like PDO which has been disputed recently, and we try to pinpoint them and find a reasonable solution of the problem. But the main problem is that there are new things and new things are often considered wrong no matter what they actually are, because it is quite painful for human beings to learn new things when they don't really want to. You have to do it though from times to times, no matter what system you use. Just choose the right moment to learn and stay with the old one until then. Some would argue that it is more profitable and easier to start coding for Wordpress and Joomla than switching from Cotonti Genoa to Cotonti Siena. It is probably more profitable, but isn't so easy: while Genoa and Siena are different at some points, Cotonti and Wordpress are completely different.

I don't want to prove somebody's wrong, these are just a few things worth considering.

BTW, Russian posts are filtered out on the homepage unless you pick Russian as your language.

BTW2, Olivier is relaunching Neocrome.net and releasing Seditio v151 soon.

]]>
ср, 21 дек 2011 12:37:59 -0000
diablo
  • What do you think is the most imporant aspect of a successful community?
  • What would you do if you were in my position (community manager & developer) right now? (assuming you have all skills and knowledge you need)
  • What would make you change your mind?
  • 1- Quantity brings the Quality so when there are more people CMS gets better. I tried to spread it as much as i can but poor extension and theme support scares people away.There are book written in my native language in my college's crappy library about Joomla, Wordpress and Drupal..

    2- I would release a final version, thank anyone who got involved and call it.(Like Olivier did) Move on my way with another CMS which still has hope for. Its hard to do but you must face it someday.

    3- I think I got misunderstood a little. The popularity is not the only reason im leaving. I cant even code a plugin for cotonti anymore its soo much more complicated than it used to. Simplicity is gone, I can tell this since im no expert or newbie. Also the community and content  is %140 russian now and I have no idea about this cyrilic alphabet.

    @esclkm: I'm sorry the way you feel but ignoring the awful truth wont help anyone. How can you expect understanding me when I cant even understand what it written in your signature.

     

    ]]>
    ср, 21 дек 2011 02:21:43 -0000
    lukgoh #32176 Twiebie:
    #32169 urlkiller: 

    (some sidenote here: we should *maybe* remove (merge) that type of topics beacause it dont makes a good impression on new users seeing 100 post about how bad support/skins/plugins are)

    I think it's best to be clear and honest about things and to not hide the fact something is wrong.
    If people don't point out what is wrong, it can't be fixed.
    Agreed, it can only be a posotive thing to show issues are being addressed. 
    ]]>
    пн, 19 дек 2011 21:25:56 -0000
    pieter Off-topic: This dog is in Brussels-Belgium :-)

    #32174 esclkm:

    4c2056c698e96.jpg

    ]]>
    пн, 19 дек 2011 20:58:43 -0000
    Twiebie #32169 urlkiller: 

    (some sidenote here: we should *maybe* remove (merge) that type of topics beacause it dont makes a good impression on new users seeing 100 post about how bad support/skins/plugins are)

    I think it's best to be clear and honest about things and to not hide the fact something is wrong.
    If people don't point out what is wrong, it can't be fixed.
    ]]>
    пн, 19 дек 2011 20:02:13 -0000
    esclkm 4c2056c698e96.jpg

    You make like this! for those developers, who makes CMS May be it is not best, but the most trouble is poppularity of it... not any more ]]>
    пн, 19 дек 2011 19:31:46 -0000
    urlkiller NOOOOOOOOO! Another one down sad

    I agree on some points with Diablo. But still this is failry the best and versataile System i came across on the internets.
    But Maybe its really better for the impatient to move along to new green madows...

    Me for my part stay here and if i have more time i will do more and more frontend stuff as i did before @ neocrome.
    Skinning/ and nice UI Plugins.

    But i can also understand the feeling that here are only some guys (no idea how active the russian forum is right now) and only the half of them release stuff for free (or at least keep the nice stuff for you).

    maybe we need a showcase or something that is more appealing to the eye... most people go visual.
    In my opinion this system can do the same as drupal or any other system but you have to work for it harder because of the lack of other supportive users.

    (some sidenote here: we should *maybe* remove (merge) that type of topics beacause it dont makes a good impression on new users seeing 100 post about how bad support/skins/plugins are)

    Added 3 minutes later:

    and we should maybe talk again about the marketing of that cms.

    ]]>
    пн, 19 дек 2011 15:29:29 -0000
    GHengeveld Hi diablo,

    Thanks for sharing your insight. I can imagine you want to have a larger community working actively on your CMS of choice. Unfortunately we simply cannot offer this, nor is there anything I can do about it on the short term. I'm very sorry to see you go, but if this is your decision then we'll just have to live with it. Remember that you'll always be welcome here if you change your mind. It's what differentiates our community from the others, we value every single member.

    Before you're gone, would you answer the following questions for me? It will be very much appreciated.

    1. What do you think is the most imporant aspect of a successful community?
    2. What would you do if you were in my position (community manager & developer) right now? (assuming you have all skills and knowledge you need)
    3. What would make you change your mind?
    ]]>
    пн, 19 дек 2011 09:35:09 -0000
    diablo Unlike most of you im not in computer/internet bussiness anymore (sadly). When i was still interested in CMS stuff i ran the Turkish community of LDU and seditio written some plugins designed some skins translated through LDU700 , converted stuff from other CMS which I dont even have backup files. So I think I have done enough.

    We failed as a community, we failed at neocrome, we failed here. I cant say I did much for cotonti but I dont feel guilty because this CMS was half-dead when it was taken from neocrome and now its a zombie. It moves but it doesnt mean its alive. My point is there are so many active CMS communities which have thousands of plugins/skins for free and tons of companies offering paid work, the more people involved in a cms the better it becomes. There is no need to discover america all over again. I dont want to regret I spend my time on something dead and neither should you.

    Thanks to anyone who got involved to this CMS and the ones before this one, but im done.

    ]]>
    пн, 19 дек 2011 01:08:25 -0000
    lukgoh It's my opinion that it would be stupid to throw away a top CMS just because there is a lack of frontend designs, considering how easy it is to convert a html template (sold fairly cheap around the internet.) into a working theme for Cotonti. 

    I think you should address the community and ask them what they would like from the frontend design and then those of us who can, work on designs based on their requirments. That way we get some fresh designs introduced and also you will be able to find out exactly what they want. Then they can vote on the one (maybe more) that they like the most and that can become the new default theme? 

    Just an idea,

    Luke.

    ]]>
    вс, 18 дек 2011 21:10:02 -0000
    Trustmaster Sorry guys, I'm not a frontend developer, I've always felt a lot more excited about backends. So I avoid making UIs and leave it to people who are better at it. I think among our current team members only Gert and Kort are capable enough of doing front ends, but they are damn busy with other stuff.

    ]]>
    вс, 18 дек 2011 16:12:28 -0000
    Kingsley :) I have been saying that for a while now.. But to plainly give up Cotonti.. Hell no!

    Doesn't take away the fact that there have to be some more skins and a lot more usefull plugins.

    maybe is it wise to look at what other CMS have in their default plugin db? and at least try to image that, or make a selection of what we want/think is good for cotonti.

    to fulfill my part; I've gotten some books on php, so I will try to learn the basics as quick as possible, so I can contribute on the smaller plugins.

    I have to say though, it's kinda unfair to address the dev team in the way it happened here. Haven't seen you around in ages, and out of the blue this post.. makes me go: hmmm..

     

    ]]>
    вс, 18 дек 2011 11:39:19 -0000
    ez Still.. Diablo has a small point that we (all devs and designers...) should look at... The design could be better.... Also the front end techniques are POOR!!!

    The core however is good, fast, flexible... But maybe its time to spend more time on front end in stead of backend ?
    So nice plugins and some nice design... (This is the only way to get new and enthousiastic members)

    I am very much a Front end guy and will release Myfiles soon.
    This will have far more better frontend techniques like AJAX (partial screen refreshes), JSON returns....

    To let this community grow, we need to spend more time on the front end... (I can help there)

    just my thoughts....

     

    Want some nice design tip: http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/

    ]]>
    вс, 18 дек 2011 09:33:26 -0000
    Trustmaster Go MODx Revolution if you want to be modern and object oriented, go Drupal if you want something clean and procedural, go Cotonti if you want to be involved.

    ]]>
    вс, 18 дек 2011 06:14:37 -0000
    GHengeveld вс, 18 дек 2011 04:13:07 -0000 diablo I never thought i would say this but i think its time to give up.. Im around since LDU 600 and when i look around i can easilty tell its not 2002 anymore but this thing still looks same even more ugly than it used to be. We have bunch of coders and not a single designer. Its neocrome all over again. Poor design, weak support and no community.

    It is time we should move on, this is going nowhere. So im asking you which CMS should I migrate ?

    Joomla Drupal TYPO3 MODx Wordpress

    Since we all used the same CMS over all those years im sure you would know what is best to choose.

    ]]>
    сб, 17 дек 2011 20:45:43 -0000